URCall: Sodom (and Gomorrah)

From the ICR’s URCall series of videos, hosted by Markus Lloyd. (link)


Did you know that cities in the bible, once thought to have been mythical have actually been discovered by archaeologists? Abraham’s home town of Ur, for example, was excavated by sir Leonard Woolley, beginning in the 1920’s. Ur, as well as Sodom and Gomorrah, and other biblical places, were also mentioned in the Sumerian tablets of Ebla, unearthed in Syria in the 1970’s. So, if these mythical places are real after all, isn’t it logical to reason that the bible is an accurate historical record?

Ur Kaśdim is mentioned in the bible, and this is probably the same place as the real historical city of Ur. But I don’t think Ur was ever truly lost – Pietro della Valle visited in the 17th century, for example, and it doesn’t seem like the locals were unaware as to what they were standing on. Woolley is but one of many figures in the history of archaeology at Ur, and not the first discoverer as you might have thought from the above. Perhaps somebody once thought that Ur never existed, but if so it probably didn’t go down like the ICR wants you to think.

Sodom and Gomorrah – which, curiously, are always treated in this video as if they were a single place with a compound name, like Rostov-on-Don, or Ankh-Morepork – are a less clear. Certainly, the likes of the ICR fervently want them to exist and to have already been found, but wishful thinking doesn’t make it so. Archaeological claims – such as that the Ebla tablets mention the cities – are at best controversial.

But this dances around the issue: the real point is that even if these and other places really do exist, it does not make it “logical to reason that the bible is an accurate historical record.” That’s a weaselly and nonsensical way of putting it anyway, but to make an analogy if a ghost story takes place in a cabin in the woods, and alter on a cabin is found in those woods, it doesn’t make all ghost stories true, or even that one specifically. The same goes for the bible.

6 thoughts on “URCall: Sodom (and Gomorrah)

  1. London exists. Baker Street exists so does that mean the Sherlock Holmes books are an accurate record?

  2. It is astounding how often Lloyd and other ICR operatives make patently illogical comments, whether from their inability to recognize fallacies, or their hope that most of their readers won’t or can’t. Almost every novel and fictional story includes references to real places, and obviously ICR would never ague that everything in them is true. The URCall web site, with it’s shallow “gee-wiz,” sound bite format, has to be one of the most lamest efforts ICR has ever contrived.

  3. By the way, I’m planning to see the new Godzilla movie this week. By Lloy’ds reasoning, it’s “logical” that Godzilla is a real creature, since his exploits take place in real cities.

  4. The Harry Potter books describe events that take place in London. London is a real city that really exists. So the Harry Potter books must be true.


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