Headdesk Time: A Response to Bill Nye

You should have seen that video by now – you and a million other people. It’s not perfect, I’ll be the first to admit, but it raises some good points about why you should not indoctrinate children with creationist beliefs. The Institute for Creation Research has also seen it, and today on Your Origins Matter they have a response: What Does the “Science Guy” Have to Say About Evolution? [Edit: Link fixed, my bad.]

It’s fairly similar in format to my That’s a Fact responses, as they have produced or obtained a transcript, and gone through line-by line. But I’ve never gone off the rails like YOM does here. Their article is such potent stupidity that I refuse to go through it in as much detail myself, for the sake of my already-tattered mental health. Posting a few excerpts from it should be sufficient, anyway:

Nye:   “People still move to the United States. And that’s largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science.”

YOM:  Bill seems to think that this is ironic.  But we think it makes perfect sense.  Since science is based on the premise that God has created the universe and upholds it in a consistent way that the mind can understand, we would naturally expect a nation that has a lot of creationists to make scientific advances.

Nye:    “When you have a portion of the population that doesn’t believe in that, it holds everybody back, really.”

YOM:  The evidence would seem to indicate the exact opposite.  It is belief in evolution that inhibits scientific inquiry.  Why would you bother to study the design of an organism if you don’t believe it was designed?  Why would a scientist try to study the laws of nature if he or she believes that nature is simply an accident?

Nye:    “Your world just becomes fantastically complicated when you don’t believe in evolution.”

YOM:  The truth is the reverse.  There is no reason to expect any underlying order if biblical creation were not true.  You can’t even rely on your own thinking if evolution is true, since your brain is just the product of unguided chemicals over time.  It’s when you reject creation that things get unnecessarily complicated.

Nye:    “If you try to ignore that, your world view just becomes crazy, just untenable, itself inconsistent.”

YOM:  Yet, Bill seems to be ignoring all the evidence that is inconsistent with his position.  He constantly promotes science, while simultaneously promoting evolution which undermines science.  Now that is inconsistent!

Nye:    “that’s fine, but don’t make your kids do it because we need them.”

YOM:  The irony here is this: in the evolution worldview, kids are just a chemical accident.  So why is Nye so concerned about what they are taught?  The notion that kids are objectively valuable is only meaningful in the Christian worldview, where God has made people in His image.

Nye states:    “We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can—we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.”

YOM:  Oh the irony!  If evolution were true, why would we need engineers?  Just wait long enough and things organize and build themselves, right?  The idea that we need intelligence to “build stuff” and “solve problems” is a creationist concept.  Bill is very inconsistent.  He keeps talking like evolution is true, but he keeps behaving like creation is true.  Perhaps this is because he really does know “deep down” that God created.  (Romans 1:18-20)

Bill closes by saying:  “It’s just really hard a thing, it’s really a hard thing. You know, in another couple of centuries that world view, I’m sure, will be, it just won’t exist. There’s no evidence for it.”

YOM:  If he were talking about evolution, we’d probably have to agree.  There’s just no evidence for it.  But from context, we suspect he means creation.  We can’t say for certain what will happen in the next two centuries.  But we can be certain that God will ultimately have the victory.  There will be a time when every knee will bow to God (Isaiah 45:22-23).  Thoughts of particles-to-people evolution as a serious notion will be long forgotten along with so many other pagan myths.  It’s just a matter of time before evolution is extinct.

You can read the whole thing, if you like – if you survived all that you might just make it through the whole thing.

YOM posts usually end on a question – in this case it’s merely “What are your thoughts?” – so today I’ll give you one of my own: what was your favourite line in all that nonsense?

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12 thoughts on “Headdesk Time: A Response to Bill Nye

  1. “You can’t even rely on your own thinking if evolution is true, since your brain is just the product of unguided chemicals over time,” My favorite – they’ve been reading their Alvin P.! So true. We are imprecise critters, prone to error and probably incapable of knowing the real Truth. That’s why we use methods like logic and science, so that we can at least be internally consistent. Method helps keep that mushy thinkiness in metaphysics and theology where it is the only option.

  2. I saw that Bill Nye video a few days ago. I thought it was pretty good.

    I guess it is no surprise that the creationists are attacking it. They probably feel compelled to do that, since it directly challenges their claims in a straight forward matter-of-fact way. And it’s not just ICR. There’s a post by Cornelius Hunter at the “Uncommon Descent” blog, criticizing the Bill Nye video.

  3. It’s the same old same old – without God there is no science – just a chemical accident so why bother with science, ethics, love and all the rest – God will win in the end (like Jesus was coming back in 25 years or so after the resurrection) – why build just wait it will build itself in the end.
    The usual ‘ I don’t understand evolution but I can make it sound silly to all the others who don’t understand it either.’

  4. “Thoughts of particles-to-people evolution as a serious notion will be long forgotten along with so many other pagan myths.”

    Maybe I should go blog from Stonehenge or something.

  5. I couldn’t pick just one 😦

    “You can’t even rely on your own thinking if evolution is true, since your brain is just the product of unguided chemicals over time.”

    I think they’re living proof of that.

    “The irony here is this: in the evolution worldview, kids are just a chemical accident. So why is Nye so concerned about what they are taught?”

    This is one of those things where the answer is so obvious, they * have* to be misrepresenting on purpose. Right? Right?? Is anyone that dumb?

    Don’t answer that.

  6. From what I’ve seen above, the ICR are deliberately hijacking and distorting science (wasn’t Nye also talking about the young Earth view point as well as evolution-denial). Their faith persuades them that mainstream science is a satanic lie – thus they have to ‘fight’ back with fact-free claims and speculation.

    Here’s another daft piece. Apparently because the details of human evolution are unclear, therefore the whole theory is false. According to Frank Sherwin. Surely humans have ALWAYS been subject to deleterious genetic mutations – however, we are not going extinct!
    http://www.icr.org/article/6921/

    • Everyone except you – even I had, and I live in the wrong country are are the wrong age to have seen his show when I grew up.

    • I’ve heard of him, but since he belonged to both the wrong time and continent I’m not personally familiar with his work. To me at least, he’s like the rock band your parents always talk about but you never hear.

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